Well... seems this time I was *really* late paying the fee on that box... like on the 11th of sept it was due (may have been an inside job!)... and I kind of knew in the back of my mind it was due... but I procrastinated it until kr5ddit went down yesterday or so... checked on alpharacks and that box is now terminated... It *shouldn't* have any effect on kr5ddit at all, the kr5ddit box is still up and running (hell, this site sits on another box with them too)... but it kind of *feels* like it's related... it worked last time... like they take kr5ddit out until I pay my bills on the account... BUT there's no outstanding invoices showing, just one terminated service and all the rest should be working... I restarted the kr5ddit box... it looks like it's up... we get connections timeout instead of refused... but in every other way, it appears dead or does not respond. I've had a support ticket open which has been 'In Progress' for the last 24 hours with no response... I'll check with them again tomorrow if I hear nothing... I really don't know what's going on. BAD NEWS though... I've been sloppy with the backups... if we have to recreate from scratch... could be a couple of MONTHS out of date... I can't do any better than that... so sorry guys... FAIL!